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Vincentius
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 18:37    Post subject: What class gets to bid Reply with quote

First of all I would like to apologize for bringing this up during the raid. I know it's not the place for that after all.

I feel this rule is not working out the way it was ment too. In fact I think it has been downright unfair.
What has been happening is that there have been Epic weapon drops, that are better for rogues but bid on by warriors.
Now it would have been a lot clearer if the raid leaders said what classes could bid on it, but we decided not to do that. Instead there is an advise given by the officers of both guilds.

And here comes the part I don't like.
Everyone is allowed to bid, even against the officers advice. However the officers will then keep repeating their "advice" until the player that isn't of the lucky class gives in. This is just downright unfair.

Tonight you said Malasorte would get the Vis'kag the Bloodletter if he wanted it. He made it crystal clear that he did. He did not get the item however, but the officers kept repeating the advice.
That way the advice is actually forced upon him. Nobody can withstand 10 minutes of /whispers and voice chat comments about how wrong he is for bidding on a certain item. The officers were just building up the pressure until he gave in.

This also ruins the atmosphere. Sure the rogues are happy now (I'd be happy if I were one), but what about the others? It leaves a bad after taste when this fighting (by lack of better term) over an item happens again and again.
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Malasorte
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 18:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice say vincentius thnx its np anymore about the blade i understand it but i still getting tired of the rulez dkp or a item that belongs to the class but DKP was the rulez i didnt even wanted the blade anymore after the first player i heard it belongs to rogues but well i,m happy for the rogue that got it now and gratz Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 18:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally I was disgusted by the attitude of many players including many of the TS officers. I would like to see a List of Weapons that can be procured through the DKP system that 1h Warriors get first choise on.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 18:59    Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post

I've changed my mind about having lists.

EDIT: (wrote in anger)

Hence, I've asked PK officers for a get-together where we can determine what class gets "first choice" on what.

It would be somewhat like in this format:
Code:
Item Name

Primary: Class1, Class2
Secondary: Class3
Tertiary: Class4


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 19:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously want to see what 1h wpn warriors get 1st choise on for MC and Onyxia raids.
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Malasorte
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 19:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont care who get first dkp is the rule imo let the viskag blades goes to rogues first fine by me but i want it clear as dkp is the rule i was allowed to roll on that blade but iwas getting tired already about the first whine does it belongs to rogues let them get it first so i already didnt want it anymore.Oke who it sayed about the rogue thingie that they get it first was bad dkp is still the rule but well i will see what happen now i will come and raid but i just bid on every sword i see i will hear it if i,m allowed to roll on it or not dkp doesnt work anyway (seems to)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh the looking at this wpn throughout the internet, its only the Uber guilds that seem to have this notion that Rogues should get it first. And only allowing fury warriors to bid 2nd.

But as I was told I know nothing. As I seem to think that in a non elitist guild this item is as relevent for a fury warrior as a rogue. Malasorte can you tell me what wepon you could get that beast this for your playing style? (not a BWL lvl weapon though please)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 19:30    Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post

Some examples of warrior (primarily DPS warrior) only weapons:

Deathbringer
Eskhandar's Right Claw

(note that Rogues can't even *use* axes, and due to Rogues instant attack abilities, the Right Claw would primarily go to a DPS warrior)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 20:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.queenwords.com/pk2/viewtopic.php?t=1389

vis'kag the bloodletetr
brutality blade

but warriors need their might gear so i have to wait
rogues needs the swords first i have to wait

doesnt make sence then i get 5000 dkp points because i cant even roll on a blade or armor then it will be 2500 dkp spend for 1 thing then i better can stop raiding and untill u guys are done i can go >_>
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 20:36    Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post

Well, do you know what's really funny? Vis'kag has a 2.0% drop rate according to ThottBot, and Deathbringer has a 2.8% drop rate. Allakhazam has a drop rate of 4.09% for Vis'kag and 4.43% for Deathbringer. While not as dramatical a difference, we still get way "too" good loot from "Old Snouty".

Thottbot Onyxia
Allakhazam Onyxia

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 22:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not there anymore, but PK guys, you remember what I said when I got back to PK..its starting already and you know what I'm talking about.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 13:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can say that i lost some of the intrest in the raid after hearing some of the comments made by some people. If the rules say he can bid on the wep he shouldent get flamed and attacked. This is supposed to be a friendly and fun run.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 14:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norian wrote:
Im not there anymore, but PK guys, you remember what I said when I got back to PK..its starting already and you know what I'm talking about.

No i dont. just remind us please.
There is alot of talk about DKPs at the mo and i have gave my view to the officers of PK. But so everyone knows where i stand its this. The peron who bids highest DKPs gets. Its not a hard system. Its not for any one to tell people how/why to spend DKPs they have earnt.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 16:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linkblack wrote:
Norian wrote:
Im not there anymore, but PK guys, you remember what I said when I got back to PK..its starting already and you know what I'm talking about.

No i dont. just remind us please.
There is alot of talk about DKPs at the mo and i have gave my view to the officers of PK. But so everyone knows where i stand its this. The peron who bids highest DKPs gets. Its not a hard system. Its not for any one to tell people how/why to spend DKPs they have earnt.


Shocked what does that got to do with anything I said?
good lord.. I wasnt even talking about the DKP which interest my - you know what - I was talking about what Ive always said since Ive got back.. epics are evil, care to argue? you got all the proofs in the world in this very forum, and like I said, its starting.
dont attack with no reason or without knowing, please.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 17:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norian only the top line of links reply is aimed at you the rest is as a continuation of the exisiting thread m8
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